Choose and click on a report and your tab will reload with that report showing about 1/10 the way down the page, below the two title listing panels just below here.

There are actually many more ways to choose and read Reports. For a complete description of all options, see this User Guide article.

REPORTS #1 TO #20, GOING BACK IN TIME

REPORTS #21 TO #40, GOING BACK IN TIME


Saturday, February 7, 2009

How the 2008-09 Denver Nuggets Players Rate as Defenders

A NEW AND POWERFUL SYSTEM TO FIND OUT ABOUT DEFENDING
In the last year and especially in the last month, big strides have been made in my being able to accurately and fairly compare and contrast players with respect to defending. A few weeks ago, I introduced the Defending Adjustment for Real Player Ratings (RPR). Due to additional evolution and expansion of intentions, I am now adding the word "hidden" on the front end of the term, and am changing the last word from "adjustment" to "rating," so it is now "Hidden Defending Rating" (HDR).

RPR is the per unit of time combined total of all positive things tracked, minus all negative things tracked, plus the Hidden Defending Rating. The HDR is of course like RPR a per unit of time rating.

For very detailed information about how Real Player Ratings were developed and are calculated, including the adjustment for hidden defending, please consult the User Guide for Real Player Rating Reports by Team

What follows is some highlights of the User Guide. Normally we won't put any User Guide material in reports, but one exception will be when we are rolling out a new type of report or a new performance measure, as is the case here.

BRIEF SUMMARY OF USER GUIDE FOR DEFENDING ADJUSTMENTS TO REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Aside from the hidden there would be unhidden defending, which would be rebounding plus steals plus blocks minus personal fouls. If we extract the combination of those four out of the same counts that underlie the RPR as a whole, we get what we are going to call the Scored Defending Contribution. This could also be thought of as Tracked Defending Contribution if you prefer. Then if we divide this by minutes, we can have a Scored (or Tracked) Defending Rating.

Finally, if we combine Hidden Defending Rating (HDR) with Scored Defending Rating (SDR) we can have an Overall Defending Rating (ODR). I am for now going to simply multiply the HDR by two and add that to the SDR to yield the ODR. To combine them this way is more arbitrary than my usual standards allow; I am doing this because there is as of yet no non-arbitrary way of doing it. The formula of two times HDR plus SDR brings HDR almost up to par with SDR in terms of the actual numbers and the averages of those numbers involved.

In other words, I am saying for now that hidden defending is almost as important as scored defending. There appear to be many coaches and not a few hardcore basketball fans who believe that hidden defending is actually more important than scored defending, but I am very likely never going to agree with that. I think that although hidden defending is important, and plausibly almost as important as tracked defending, that it is like a quicksand in that there seems to be a tendency for a substantial minority of basketball people to get carried away with estimating the importance of it and then become more and more trapped by their error in terms of how they look at basketball or in terms of how they coach their team if they are coaching.

Exactly what is hidden defending? It's every action that helps to prevent the other team from scoring other than rebounding, stealing, and blocking. So it would include man to man defending, zone defending, rotating in general, defensive recognition, and quick defensive response to various offensive tactics, such as pick and rolls. Obviously, if a defender is good at these things, the other team doesn't score as many points than if the defender is lousy.

================================================
DENVER NUGGETS 2008-09 DEFENDERS COMPARED AND CONTRASTED

DENVER NUGGETS HIDDEN DEFENDING RATINGS
Includes Man to Man Defending, Zone Defending, Defensive Recognition and Response, Rotation, Pick and Roll Defending, all other untracked defensive actions
NUGGETS 2008-09 REGULAR SEASON
THROUGH JAN. 20 2009

Renaldo Balkman 0.173
J.R. Smith 0.128
Dahntay Jones 0.106
Chauncey Billups 0.103
Nene Hilario 0.092
Carmelo Anthony 0.070
Kenyon Martin 0.066
Anthony Carter 0.054
Chris Andersen 0.048
Linas Kleiza 0.041

DENVER NUGGETS SCORED (TRACKED) DEFENDING RATINGS
Rebounding, Blocking, and Stealing Less Fouling per unit of Time
NUGGETS 2008-09 REGULAR SEASON
THROUGH JAN. 20 2009

Chris Andersen 0.374
Kenyon Martin 0.282
Nene Hilario 0.267
Renaldo Balkman 0.205
Carmelo Anthony 0.205
J.R. Smith 0.190
Anthony Carter 0.185
Linas Kleiza 0.142
Chauncey Billups 0.131
Dahntay Jones 0.080

DENVER NUGGETS OVERALL DEFENDING RATINGS
Two Times the Hidden Defending Rating Plus the Scored Defending Rating, a relatively arbitrary but still roughly accurate and revealing performance measure. Note, the two components of the ODR are part of RPR, but not the measure itself.
NUGGETS 2008-09 REGULAR SEASON
THROUGH JAN. 20 2009

Renaldo Balkman 0.551
Chris Andersen 0.469
Nene Hilario 0.451
J.R. Smith 0.445
Kenyon Martin 0.413
Carmelo Anthony 0.345
Chauncey Billups 0.338
Anthony Carter 0.294
Dahntay Jones 0.292
Linas Kleiza 0.225

For very detailed information about how Real Player Ratings were developed and are calculated, including the adjustment for hidden defending, please consult the User Guide for Real Player Rating Reports by Team

The first thing that jumps out here is how Renaldo Balkman has been one of the best defenders in the NBA. Were he to start, his rating would go down due to playing against better offensive players, but it is clear that it is virtually impossible that his rating would drop below outstanding were he to start.

The next thing that jumps out is that J.R. Smith, who thanks partly to George Karl and partly to his own playing in the past, has a terrible defending reputation, is listed as the fourth best defensive stopper on the Nuggets! How could this be? Thats's fairly easy; there are two main reasons. First, because since Smith does not start, he is often in the game against inferior offensive players. Second, Smith was never as bad a defender as many think, and since he has matured basketball wise and overall over the last few years, he has improved substantially at defending.

If you are disturbed by the J.R. Smith rating, don't blame me, the messenger. Blame the Nuggets coaches for not starting him and blame the Nuggets organization and George Karl in particular for planting wild exaggerations in your head about how bad a defender J.R. Smith is.

And don't even think about claiming that an adjustment should be made between starters and non-starters. There are all kinds of reasons why this is a, excuse the cheap pun, non-starter. First of all, it would be way more work than I have time for, and the cost-benefit equation would be miserable. Second, it would involve relatively complicated and arbitrary assumptions, which means it would not necessarily be a valid adjustment. Third, it would distort reality, because like it or not, Smith is a very good defender, particularly in the context of him often playing against reserves.

And fourth, actually, Smith is defending against starters roughly as often as much as he is defending against non-starters since, although he does not start, he is getting a lot of 2nd half minutes where many of the starters of the other team are in.

Furthermore, you can't automatically assume that Smith would be far worse when defending against better offensive players; you don't know how much his defending rating would go down unless you actually find out by having Smith as a starter and try it. Notice that another non-starter, Linas Kleiza, has a very low defending rating despite the fact that, like Smith, he is often defending against not so great offensive players. This indirectly but strongly argues in favor of Smith being given an opportunity to start and to be evaluated fairly as to defending and as to overall net worth as a starter. Whereas with Kleiza, who by the way was recently given the nod over Smith with Carmelo Anthony out, is a high risk starter, since he can't even defend all that well against lower quality offensive players. Sure enough, starting Kleiza was a move that bit Mr. Karl in the rear end, and Kleiza was quickly sent back to the bench.

What this is telling the Nuggets' coaches, who unfortunately are not listening and will never listen, is that they should not be using J.R. Smith's defense anymore as an excuse for not starting him. They simply do not have that as an excuse anymore. They should have used the first few months of this season to try starting Smith out and to see what would happen. They didn't do that because unlike the Pistons for example, the Nuggets feel no need to experiment until they get things just right.

So no, the Nuggets had to go with Dahntay Jones, who previously no one ever thought of as a starter. As you can see from the defending rating, Jones can more than hold his own as a defender in the hidden or untracked aspects of defending, particularly considering he is a guard, but he simply doesn't make enough defensive rebounds, steals, and blocks to rank well in the scored or tracked rating.

In any event, he is simply not qualified offensively to start at 2-guard for a playoff team. Until the Nuggets strategically understand the guard positions, Denver is never going to win a playoff series, it's that simple. It doesn't even matter who they have on the roster, if they don't understand that guards are generally more critical offensively than defensively, they will never win one damn playoff series.



BallHype: hype it up!




You Can Post Your Response to Anything on Quest Here

Post your response to anything on Quest HERE

GIVE US THE JUICE TO PRODUCE REPORTS MORE QUICKLY

Although there is a guaranteed minimum rate of Report production regardless of traffic, IT IS IN YOUR POWER to help double or triple the number of and frequency of Reports. Simply take two or three minutes as often as you can to recommend Quest and post links to Quest on your favorite sports and other sites. The resulting automatic increase of traffic will in turn increase the resources that go in to producing Quest, which in turn speeds up reporting. If you want, e-mail how you helped (include the url of where you posted a link to Quest) and we will throw some Internet love back to where you tell us on the Internet. Thank you.

Here are some quick links that you can use to find a place where you might post a link to Quest and/or to Quest content.

Share/Bookmark


HOLD MOUSE HERE TO EXPAND THIS MENU OF PLACES ON WHICH YOU CAN POST A LINK TO QUEST:



BASKETBALL SITES THAT ARE OPEN FOR CONTENT FROM ANYONE
Note: Beware of "layered" sites. None of the following are layered sites, which are sites that allow contributions from the public only in hard to find, low traffic areas, while the main areas are off limits for public input and are only for a chosen few. All of the following have at least some notable traffic, and all of them allow relatively equal and open participation. The order is from most recommended to least recommended, based on about half a dozen factors.

Bleacher Report Open Posting Site
Inside Hoops NBA Forum
Real GM NBA and Team Forums
Pro Sports Daily NBA Forum
Basketball Forum NBA Forum
Sporting News NBA Forum
Hoops Hype NBA Forum
Armchair GM Open Posting Site
SportsTwo NBA Forum
NBA Dimensions NBA Forum
OTR Basketball Forums NBA Forum
NBA Boards NBA Forum
NBA Wire NBA Forum
KFFL NBA Forum

Note: there are other forums, but they are all very low traffic and activity compared to the ones above.

MESSAGE BOARDS AT HUGE COROPORATIONS
The Fox NBA board is very low traffic, and the MSNBC NBA board doesn't exist anymore. The CBS Sports NBA Message Board is a layered site; you can NOT post topics nor expect to be considered seriously there until you have spent a few years posting there. We do not recommend CBS Sports. So the only real, fully open NBA forum hosted by a big corporation is the ESPN message board. Be forewarned though that the ESPN board is dominated by very young fans who make very short comments. On the other hand, it is a high traffic site, so we won't stop you from posting a Quest link at ESPN if you want to.

ESPN NBA Message Board

>>>I WANT TO STICK WITH THE WAY OTHER SITES PRESENT POSTS
Due to the number of, uniqueness of, and importance of the many other home page features we have, only one Report loads at a time, currently the one just above. To see the next Report (which would be the one that came out just before the one above) on this home page, click "Older Posts" that is at the very bottom of the Report showing above, just above the section header "Your Ball: Take Your Best Shot".

>>ALTERNATIVE HOME PAGES
There are three home pages, all of which have all of the Reports but which have completely different features appearing on the sidebar and below the one Report that is shown at a time. These pages have been designed so that they fully load in about 10 seconds (no more super long load times we used to be known for.)

HOME PAGE A: ALL REPORTS, READERS CONTAINING REPORTS 1-100, AND UNIQUE FEATURES
HOME PAGE B: ALL REPORTS, READERS CONTAINING REPORTS 1-100, AND UNIQUE FEATURES
HOME PAGE C: ALL REPORTS, READERS CONTAINING REPORTS 1-100, AND UNIQUE FEATURES

>>REPORT READERS: Complete freedom to rapidly choose and read what you need or want to read. The latest 40 Reports are found near the top of all three of the primary home pages (linked to just above) while Reports #41-#100 are found in three separate readers placed at various points down the page on all three primary home pages.

>>EXPRESS VERSION: Every Single Report but no Features: a Fast Loading Page: Click Here

>>FAST BREAK VERSION: The Latest 100 Reports via Report Readers Only; no Features, a Fast Loading Page: Click Here

>>QUEST ARCHIVE HOME PAGES--REPORT ARCHIVES AND A SMALL NUMBER OF CLASSIC FEATURES THAT WON'T FIT ON OTHER HOME PAGES
QUEST 4: REPORTS 101-200
QUEST 5: REPORTS 201-300
QUEST 6: REPORTS 301-400
QUEST 7: REPORTS 401-500
QUEST 8: REPORTS 501-600
QUEST 9: REPORTS 601-700
QUEST 10: REPORTS 701-800

>>FEATURES ONLY HOME PAGES: NO REPORTS, JUST FEATURES THAT WE CAN'T FIT ANYWHERE ELSE
QUEST OVERTIME
QUEST CLASSIC

>>COMPLETE TITLE INDEX: : A Complete Report Title Index, with Express Version Links to all Reports

>>LATEST 25 Reports: Direct links to the latest 25 Reports (with no truncated titles as you find with the poorly designed Google archive). This is located near the very bottom of this page.

>>GOOGLE ARCHIVE you will find this, with Reports shown by week not very far below.

>>I'M NEW AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WANT TO GO: Welcome to the Real Zone. Simply browse the page and see for yourself what is here. You will not be disappointed.

>>OR YOU CAN DO A CUSTOM GOOGLE SEARCH OF THE 13 BOOKS AND COUNTING CONTAINED ON THIS SITE>>>>>

SEARCH THE QUEST FOR THE RING--THE EQUIVALENT OF MORE THAN 13 BOOKS ABOUT BASKETBALL

Custom Search
SEARCH THE 13 BOOKS / 1.3 MILLION WORDS

REPORTS #41 TO #60, GOING BACK IN TIME

OFFICIAL SONG OF THE QUEST FOR THE RING


THE NUGGETS THEME SONG: "LIKE A ROLLING STONE": BOB DYLAN


THE GEORGE KARL THEME SONG: RIGHT PLACE, WRONG TIME: DR. JOHN


REPORTS # 61 TO #80, GOING BACK IN TIME

CARMELO ANTHONY WON THE NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP AT SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY


FREE ADVERTISING PROGRAM

FREE ADVERTISING PROGRAM
The depression, or recession, or great heist, or whatever it is, means that we should work together, or else we will sink together. Therefore, the Quest is offerring free display advertising on this site until at least June 30, 2010. The program is for anyone who has a basketball related product or service. If the free program is not extended beyond that date, we will be offerring advertising at extremely low rates. The free display ad program is currently limited to four advertisers, on a first come first serve basis. Each advertiser gets 6 months free though if we think your product or service is especially important we will extend that indefinitely.

This program is not for large corporations; it is intended for small enterprises, especially newer ones. Nor is this program for those already affiliated with a major internet commercial site, such as ebay.

To advertise for free, email a request giving your web address and some basic information about your product or service. If you get approved, we will email you back. You will be approved unless you don't really have a basketball product or service, or unless you are a big company, or unless you are already getting a large amount of traffic. After you are approved, you can email your ad. Your ad should be sized to fit either in the User Guide or the right column. For User Guide ads, the width should be close to but nor more than 675px. The height should be 100px maximum. For sidebar ads, the maximum size is 240px by 240 px. We will even make a simple but nice looking ad for you if you want.

The email address to use is nuggets1nuggets@gmail

REPORTS #81 TO #100, GOING BACK IN TIME

ALLEN IVERSON AND PISTONS COACH MICHAEL CURRY

ALLEN IVERSON AND PISTONS COACH MICHAEL CURRY

NBA BREAKING NEWS, RUMORS, AND RECENT NEWS

WHY NOT EXCHANGE LINKS WITH THE QUEST?

You can link to the Quest site with no permission needed. To link to this site, copy and paste the code below into your site. Thanks, and you can email nuggetsone@gmail.com with your site address, and we will link back if you have a basketball site. Your link will go in the right column in the same area where the other already existing such links are. You may wish to, for convenience, use the following code when you construct the link.





LARRY FITZGERALD--A GREAT ATHLETE WHO UNDERSTANDS HOW TO WIN THE QUEST

2008 SITE NEWS: THE NOT SO GOOD

NOT SO GOOD SITE NEWS:
--The Nuggets most likely will not make the playoffs this year, so we are no longer going to even pledge game report sets for every game; our plan is to produce 25 game report sets, with a set consisting of three separate reports: two breakdowns and one article. Keep in mind that game report sets are not far from 10,000 words each in length in total, so 25 report sets are in total at least as much real content for a single team as exists anywhere else.
--Special Report frequency is being cut to 8 reports a year. Look for special reports at the very end of all months except for April, May, June, and November. Special Reports are not going to be combined into Game Reports anymore. Special Reports and all other content is posted on the main site, but they are posted by themselves for easy retrieval on the Special Reports page.
--There may possibly be another disruption during the season, due to another unavoidable pain in the neck project that needs doing. Any such disruption will not exceed 1 month.

DON'T LOSE OUT: BOOKMARK NUGGETS 1 NOW--CLICK HERE

CARMELO ANTHONY AND HIS DOG

CARMELO ANTHONY AND HIS DOG